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Eric,
We have been through the sheet metal screw thing, both from the outside and inside.
Reliability was not good.

The present rule was designed by the guys that have been doing the re -studding thing for years.

As far as rules, there are committee meetings after the season ends.
So compile your thoughts and express them at that time.

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Hi Eric, that's all helpful information. Since we just received our shipment of the Pirelli ice tires (56 of them) we may need to spend the next few months discussing tires again after we get some data on how they compare to the old Menard tires. Unfortunately they seem to have way more traction than we were hoping for or expecting. This can impact a lot of things like starting a horsepower war, axle breakage, ice chewing, and higher speeds.

So what the club should do in the best interest of the club is hard to say until we get some more comparison testing and longevity testing done.

But please feel free to keep this discussion going and I hope people will chime in with their thoughts.

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Maybe we have been thinking about this tire deal all wrong. Instead of trying to find a rubber tire to use on ice maybe we should find a tire made of ice instead emoticon

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Hmm... I suppose those actual "ice" tires could work if the lakes "rubber" over.

The Pirelli tires are too fast, eh?! "Gee, that's too bad" (he says with some effort). When's the next order?

Seriously, though; how come? How many studs/ft do the Pirelli tires have? At 7mm stud height, I'd think comparable to the Canadian studs. Are the studs symmetrical? Are they likely to eat up the ice much more quickly? How's the tire/stud durability so far? Does it look like they could go at least a whole season without stud loss?

EDIT: Just found a higher-res image of a Pirelli WR5, and the stud protrusions don't look any fancier than the old Menards studs. I'm guessing that the more distributed arrangement might help a bit, but the main advantage might be significantly more studs per linear foot of tire circumference, correct? I wouldn't think that style stud would wear the ice inordinately, anyway.

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The Pirellis have 60 studs per foot and so far they show almost no signs of wear after a day or two of racing. But more testing needs to be done.

Most people do love traction and it can be addictive the problem some of us are worried about is not the money the tires cost but the money the horsepower war and car breakage will cost in the long run.

Cars that had them and cars that didn't have them yesterday completely flipped in the results from what they would normally have been. A car that should win by 1/2 a lap lost by 1/2 lap in a couple of different classes. So now everyone needs to get the Pirelli's to stay competitive. They cost us $309 each which wasn't too bad considering what the tire is and how much a few of the guys were spending over the course of a season buying the old "Menard type" tires.


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Understood, thanks. The cost of HP and breakage sound like valid concerns should the new tires have that much potential. More studs should mean less localized stress and better longevity, but shorter studs might have been better-matched considering the significantly increased 60/ft count. Increased top speeds might be a more immediate issue affecting course design, etc.

Pirelli's motorsports catalogs offer only 7mm in the WR5, 7mm or 8mm in the WR6, and 2mm in some other models, but I don't see any offered stud heights in between! Menards were about 6mm and 35/ft, correct? I'm thinking 4-5mm in the Pirelli might have been closer to a match. Their 2mm would almost certainly have been a step down in performance from the Menards.

I'm trying to put together an SLM before the end of this season and hopefully run MC or SMC for next year. Latest issue is non-sunroof cage won't fit into sunroof car. Doh!

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Eric

  Cage will fit just fine! That is why man made cutting wheels/torches/welders!!!! emoticon Where you located? need any help "customizing"?


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OR

Just remove the sun roof!!! emoticon
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Hey Shannon! I'd love some help "customizing" but currently live too far away (about 3 hrs due north of Wells). Yeah, I'm planning to eventually remove the sunroof, tracks and all, although not sure yet what to do about a filler panel. Car still has to be driven to events this year. Looks like sunroof car also got extra roof supports that interfere with where cage needs to go. Have a cut-off wheel but might have to spring for a grinder. You're right, though, somehow it'll fit. Thanks for the encouragement!

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3 hrs North of [sign in to see URL]'t that Canada? Anyway just get a piece of lexan for the "filler panel". Use the existing part as a template. Lexan cuts easily with a jigsaw (as long it is supported FIRMLY). Then just glue it in place!As a bonus, with the lexan in the roof you will know for sure if you are upside down any point!! emoticon I have never run into a problem with extra roof supports being in the way.
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