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This is an unlikely fuel mileage comparison, but at this past weekend's Finger Lakes Region Winter Rally series event, I was able to see if my 1.6 liter Sentra got better mileage than Rick Barnes' similar size and weight, 1.6 liter Mazda 323GTX. We both filled up before the event and this picture was taken at the fuel stop and break, after the first half of the rally. Not that we drive for mileage at these events, but after the first 58 miles of let's say "spirited" back road driving, Rick's Mazda took 5.8 gallons of fuel and my Sentra took 5.1 gallons. Unfortunately, there wasn't any "sipping gas and hauling ass" trophy this time around though. emoticon
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Correction on the fuel mileage from the rally: I did not take into consideration the 11 miles of odo check before the rezero, and the 3.4 miles on the clock after fillup prior to that. So that's around 81.5 miles IIRC, divided by my 5.1 gallons - [sign in to see URL] mpg for my Sentra and [sign in to see URL] mpg for Rick's Mazda.

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Most of you know that Richard Vedder and I both use Scan Gauges in our OBD-II equipped cars [his 2000 ZX2 S/R and my 2000 Protege.]

But they don't work on older [pre '96] cars. So I always wished that I could buy something like that for my OBD-I equipped my '93 SE-R. All of the threads I've read on the gas mileage forums said that there simply isn't anything [plug and play] for the OBD-I cars. BUT, I was pleasantly surprised at what I saw yesterday on the Ecomodder forums. It turns out that there IS such a unit available but only for Nissans! How about that? emoticon

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They are made in Australia by a firm named ]ECU-Talk. Needless to say, mine's on the way to the US as of today.

Check out these features:

Sensor display, showing speed, rpm, battery voltage, fuel economy, injector duty cycle, ignition timing, AAC, O2 voltage, water temp, AFM voltage, TPS voltage/%
Trip meter display, showing current speed, fuel economy, and trip average speed, average fuel economy, fuel used, fuel usage rate, distance travelled, and time elapsed.
Fault code reading and clearing
Integrated USB consult interface passthru (the same as using a normal USB consult interface)
Maximum/peak sensor values recorded for the current trip
Time trials (0-60, 0-100, 0-160, 400m)
Options (injector/cylinder setup for economy readings, KPH/MPH, C/F, and TPS V/% settings)
Adjustments Ability to adjust fuel/ignition timing across the board.

This thing does even more than the Scan Gauge! Cost is $220 shipped.

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Hmmm, Liters/100km, that takes me back to growing up in New Zealand. Mike are you going to need help converting that to MPG?!!!
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Hmmm, Liters/100km, that takes me back to growing up in New Zealand. Mike are you going to need help converting that to MPG?!!!
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I thought this might be familiar to you Steve. As you likely know, these can be set for either miles, kilometers, gallons, or liters.

With your excellent grasp of the metric system, you'll be the right guy to navigate once again, if we ever do a tsd in Canada!

Mark Long gave me a great idea last week. I talked about putting my new lightweight rallycross SE-R on the road and driving it to events instead of trailering. He asked me, "is it stock?" I said yes 100%. He said "You should use it for Economy run events too!"

What a novel idea! emoticon

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A few of us economy run regulars [on ecomodder] are very much looking forward to the Green Grand Prix coming up on May 8th.

But we all know that come summer we will be wanting to get out again for a new challenge. I had heard some discussion from last year's participants regarding possibly organizing an economy run type of event of their own for 2010. So I started a ]thread on Ecomodder testing the waters to see if anyone is still considering it.

Quebec City, QC's Martin Deschenes chimed in and offered these comments: I know tortuous, rally type, roads near and around Mont-Tremblant that would make a wonderful economy run. Unfortunately, I don't think I could get many people to travel up here. I offered to help if "]SMCC Montreal ever organize one, but that's pretty much it.

That reminds me, I did hear that Jeff [at SMCC] was considering organizing an economy run type road rally this year. I really hope he does. I'd love to go north of the border for some friendly competition.

Martin, you made an interesting point. I too, had thoughts about a possible switch to more challenging route for a future event. [sign in to see URL].'s first three events featured many medium gradient climbs with longer but gentle descents. For our fourth event I picked a flatter route and surprisingly everyone lost a few mpgs, [although the cooler fall temps may have had more to do with that].

I know that everyone likes the big numbers [and that steep climbs favor diesels] but what do you all think about Martin's idea for using a more challengine route? I like it. emoticon
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I found the elevation maps from our two courses so far:

Economy Runs I, II, and III:

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Interesting update:

As a result of participating in our Economy Run IV event last November, Jeff Dungen, President of the SMCC club has added an Run event to their schedule for 2010. The event is scheduled for June 12th.
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Interesting news! On June 12th, the Sports Motor Car Club Montreal will hold the first fuel economy rally to happen in years in Quebec. It will be held on June 12th near Montreal.

More details have just come out and this sounds cool! The SMCC is adding to the challenge considerably by combining the economy run with a road rally! The goal is not only to get the best mileage we can, but also to stay on time. There will be multiple elapsed time controls along the way.

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I am trying to figure out a strategy for this event. I wonder what the greater emphasis will be on for scoring? It will be give and take situation for sure. Should we sacrifice mpg's for staying on time or be late for controls and have best mpg?

I've already decided that I will use the 60 mpg SE-R and not the B210. Why? Because of the border crossing. With the B210's belly pan, I'd be delayed for who knows how long at the border crossing while they search for bombs or drugs.
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