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Re: AMEC Economy Run III August 23rd


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A big thank you to Mike and everyone at AMEC for putting on a fun event. It was great to meet everyone and see the diverse group of cars and mods. I really had a great time and learned a lot about fuel economy.

Chang Ho Kim
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Hey Chang it was great to have you at our event. We were all blown away with your performance. I don't think anyone expected much from someone new, particularly from someone showing up with winter tires on. But when I saw your car prep, boy was I surprised.




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Thanks to Mike and the other AMEC guys that put together the ride in the woods. Its a wicked pretty part of New York and the 2 1/2 hours at 40 mph flew by. The historic award
should certainly have gone to Mike had he not chosen to run with the big dogs. He did far better than any of us in the old beater cars.

In the beater class, the difference between
first and second was about 4 tablespoons of gas. In my car, each foot feed application dumps 1/4 teaspoon of gas so touching the pedal five hundred times means I've dumped about a quart of gas. Something else to fix.

The Economy Run was a huge success. I got to meet some people that made me feel more normal, I had a nice ride and I am stimulated to try more fun gas saving things.

A few pictures are at the link below. Sorry they are all sort of a fruit salad, but Web Shots is really boofaded up tonight.
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I had a great time on the economy run it was a nice way to start our AMEC picnic for 2009. I am truly impressed by the results of the cars and people entered in this event. It is just as difficult to do as winning a race of the normal kind. It’s not nearly as exciting but the technology, concentration and focus needed to do it is immense. I was happy to better my personal result from last year by 3 mpg and that was my goal. Trying to beat the true hyper milers is really hard I am really impressed by you all. I was happy to be apart of it and as usual it's always fun working with Mike Kamm and Mark long!
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It was fun. I improved my mileage by 18 mpg.
It just goes to show what a little car prep and a lot of concentration can do.
My previous best was running the car as if I was out for a sunday cruise.
This time I put a little more effort in to it. I taped off most of the front of the car,leaving just enough opening to keep the coolant temperature in range. Removed the antenna and inflated the tires to 45 psi.That is 10 over normal. I limited my max speed to 45 mph, down hill doesn't count, and I limited the rpm to 2000 if I had to use a lower gear. Which was seldom. I really lugged the engine a few times.
Oh, my mileage was 59.09 mpg. I almost matched the diesels.

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It figures there'd be a pair of classic Saabs when I had to drop out. Oh well, I'll get to see them sometime. On the bright side, I wasn't there to drag down the group average!

As a postscript to the official EcoRun3, I submit my comparison ratings for a small convertible. October 2008 (119 miles with 2.884 gallons, avg 42 mph, topped with 8.044 gallons of no ethanol), I logged 41.3mpg with top up, windows up, no AC on.

This year I previewed the course on Aug 7th (shorter course, 104 miles with 2.934 gallons, avg 42 mph, topped with 7.766 gallons of no ethanol) I had the top down, but otherwise drove mostly the same as last year. Mileage with top down was 35.4mpg.

I also had different tires on - last year was 14" Azenis RT615, this year was 15" Dunlop Star Spec, both set above Mazda suggested pressure. The rolling diameter is similar, so I don't expect any effect from gearing/rpms.

That's 14% lower mileage with the top down (assuming everything else was equal). So even though I can't find numeric proof that going topless is a drag, the mpg confirms it. But as Miata owners like to say, we get more smiles per gallon. emoticon
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I've been waiting for more pics to become available and now we have them. These are terrific pics from Ronny Kienhuis, who drove the '72 Citroen SM. Thanks Ronny!

Image I am very pleased to show you the winner of the Historic Class of Economy Run III. This is Bill Clark's 1957 Metropolitan Hartop. This car has spent the last ten years in either a trailer or in the Norwich museum so when he started driving it there were some problems. Lot's of them. He worked tirelessly until every detail was taken care of. What he ended up with is a car that is now running better than it has in the last 33 years. His goal was 37 mpg [last year's number with his convertible]. How did he do? Well his attention to detail in car prep and his driving earned him an impressive 46 mpg and a first place in class. And that was on bias ply tires folks! Well done Bill. Image

Image Here we can see Vlad Saakyan on his 2003 Suzuki Svs650. He was the only bike that the weather did not scare away this year. Vlad rode carefully and kept his revs below 4,000 in sixth gear on the course. He logged 64 mpg with his 650cc sport bike. Behind him in this picture is overall high mpg man Chang Ho Kim in his '89 CRX HF. Check it out, he had every body seam sealed off with painter's tape. He had to climb through the window to keep the seal intact while stopping to pick up his card at the check point.

Image More check point action. At the furthest point in the 104 mile loop, we had every driver stop and pick up a card. This proved that they drove the entire distance and did not take any short cuts. If you look closely, you can see Chang in his yellow shirt, picking up his card at the base of the stop sign.

Image This is Carl Germain gettting out of the oldest car in competition. His 1950 Studebaker Champion business coupe was able to achieve very impressive 29 mpg. This is a big car with a 160 cubic inch straight six flathead, a three speed overdrive transmission and 4.56 gears!

Image From the driver's seat of Ronny's Maserati powered Citroen SM. These 3,500 lb. grand touring cars generally get about 15 mpg. Ronny got twice that!

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Here I am trying to fill Ben Jones' CRX. All of the Civics were difficult [and in Ben's case impossible] to get a consistent fill up the the rim. No matter how many times I squeezed another shot of fuel into the neck, it would slowly sink in and disappear. We shined a flashlight down the neck and kept trying. This went on for five minutes until I gave up before possibly causing a problem. We don't know where the fuel was going, but it was likely filling up the evap system and charcoal canister. No other cars had this problem. Someone with a factory Honda manual needs to scan the page where it shows the picture of the filler neck and vent hoses for the CRX. We ended up using the data from his MPGuino for his result of 82 mpg.

Image Richard Vedder appears to be passing Ronny here, as he is on his way to his best ever result of 59 mpg in his 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R.

Image And here's a rather unassuming looking contestant right? Looks can be deceiving. Last year's events proved that pound for pound, diesels rule the roost for economy. This is Martin Deschenes 2000 VW Jetta TDI. Martin drove 7 hours one way, from Quebec City in Canada to run at our event. He clearly has the long distance award. Soft spoken Martin is a very knowledgeable and talented hypermiler. How do I know? Because he won the Diesel/Hybrid class going away with 90 mpg! Our previous record for a diesel was 71, set by Jonathan Bartlett last year. Nice job Martin!

 Image For those wondering what my '77 Datsun B210 was able to muster after the flurry of activity in my garage all week, how about a solid 77 mpg! Not to shabby for a carbureted car. There's more left in it too. I'm not done yet. emoticon

Image During the awards under the pavillion, we had each driver get up and tell us all about their cars. This was really interesting as we got to hear a little about each driver's car and what their mods were. This is Matt Herring. He had the best Prius mileage at 76 mpg and finished second in the Hybrid/Diesel class.

Image We tried to line the cars up for a group shot but there were too many. Here's one batch of them. Talk about diversity eh? There are 1950's car mixed in with hybrids!

Image Here's another grouping. There were still others as well. This event will be hard to top. The roof was blown off all of the previous records.

But I'll be working on the October event shortly. I am planning an all new route. Stay tuned. emoticon
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Great write ups and photos guys, I took a lot of photos too but haven't had time to look them over yet looks like its covered pretty well. I will eventually get Mike Kamm a CD of the photos.
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Great write ups and photos guys, I took a lot of photos too but haven't had time to look them over yet looks like its covered pretty well. I will eventually get Mike Kamm a CD of the photos.
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OK, I got the results from Mark Long and had to organize them by class. He will eventually post the excel spreadsheet on our A.M.E.C. webite under "results" [which will have all the details], but here are the basic finishing positions within each class, with mpg numbers.

Gas class

1. Chang Ho Kim - 1989 Honda CRX HF - Maynard, MA 118.1 mpg
2. Darin Cosgrove - 1998 Pontiac Firefly - Ontario, Canada 106.12 mpg
3. Ben Jones - 1991 Honda CRX - Hanover, NH 82.54 mpg
4. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 - Averill Park, NY 77.04 mpg
5. Will Meredith - 1998 Honda Civic EX - Binghamton NY 64.62 mpg
6. Richard Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R - Johnstown, NY 59.09 mpg
7. Eric Hoefer - 2008 Honda Fit - Guilderland, NY 47.27 mpg
8. Robert Smalls - 1996 AWD Subaru Legacy - Buffalo, NY 46.64 mpg

Diesels and Hybrids

1. Martin Deschenes - 2000 VW Jetta TDI - Quebec City, QC 90.43 mpg
2. Matt Herring - 2009 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA 75.91 mpg
3. Hobbit - 2004 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA 74.28 mpg
4. Dan Mandle - 2004 Golf TDI [Vegetable Oil] - Potsdam, NY 63.41 mpg
5. Dave Burnham - 1991 Jetta Diesel - Delanson, NY 61.18 mpg


Historic class

1. Bill Clark - 1957 Metropolitan Hartop - Endicott, NY 44.64 mpg
2. Jonathan Bartlett - 1969 Saab Sonett V-4 - Sterling, MA 44.26 mpg
3. Jonathan Schaller - 1968 Saab 96 - Hamilton, NY 37.96 mpg
4. Ron Kienhuis - 1972 Citroën SM - Long Island, NY 32.20 mpg
5. Carl Germain - 1950 Studebaker Champion Business Coupe 27.37 mpg

Motorcycles/Scooters

1. Vlad Saakyan - 2003 Suzuki Svs650 - Niskayuna, NY 62.28 mpg
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A few more details:

Average mpg for the whole group: 64.12

Average time to complete the course: 2:38

Event miles: 104


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